My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. For self defense/house protection/ This bit of firsthand experience has made me change my point of view in favor of wheel guns and the calibers they favor. would have killed him by a horrible mauling! He saved them both, barely, with his .338 rifle. Speaking of the 10mm, theres no mention. In the early hours of 25 November 2016, the day after . Yea, a revolver and its speed loaders generally only hold 6 rounds each, but it can be reloaded very quickly. A rabid animal is something you do not even want to touch. That is a political and social problem.. Moutain Lions arent bear-zombie-meat-tanks. Little meat damage and with a WC or Semi WC will certainly do the job. I disagree one cant empty a glock into a bearIf that makes me a fool then I guess Ill continue to be one but I fire all those guns weekly having the benefit of a backyard range. I got a buddy who is a duputy with Harris County (Tx) Sherrifs office. How many miles can a mountain lion travel? For those worried/concerned about the weight of their weapon, I can say this, at my first close encounter along Frazier Lake, I couldnt have told you if my rifle weighed an ounce or 20 lbs! One would shoot the bear with a 22 rimfire: often a single shot, while his partner would harpoon the bruin to prevent it sinking. An interesting piece giving advice from expert typewriter shooters to bear hunters. In the melay to draw his weapon he had hit the magazine release and his magazine fell out. A neighbor, 1/2 mile away lost some pheasants to one. load of No. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, Get as informed as you can, and make the best choice you can. All of these four-legged animals that have attacked humans are in my state: I used them for too many years to be so. Your 9mm, .38 spl. In any case, the uncle deserves commendation for shooting straight in a tense situation. I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. Im a pistol guy now, and except for my Ruger Super Red Hawk, I seldom shoot revolvers. I see a lot of Blackhawk advocates. Look it up. The examination of the animal, believed to be about 3 years old, suggests it was an opportunistic predator and not starving because deer, its natural prey, had been over-hunted, as . Really. A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. Predator animals act by instinct when challenged and hunt for food not to rob you or for the pleasure of killing you. More is always better and the bullet is the key. Then you could shoot them from a distance and up close and personal, and I dont care if it is heavy, power is knowing your prepared ! I read that several times as well. What? Ive been privileged enough to take a couple of black bears in both Quebec and New York and have seen many more while at work and play. The issues penetration. After feeding on its kill, the lion will cache the prey, or bury it in a secluded spot. be utilized for small game hunting: rabbit, squirrel, and grouse. ( nothin) lol. Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. When I go into the Cascades, I always take a .357 revolver. It was the first handgun I ever purchased, and I put a considerable amount of thought into it. A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. Hard cast bullets at 1100 fps. I am from Houston, TX. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. The 357 magnum is able to kill a bear much better then the 9mm and the 38 special even though they actually shoot the same bullets. WLN LBT even at long ranges with factory twists. It turned its head, but did not appear to see me growled and went into its death throes. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. He has 158 grain, cast SWC and SJSP flat point, +P ammuntion that are showing 890 FPS muzzle velocity on the boxes. My 10mm load is right at 700. News California Dogs Wildlife Pit Bull. If there is any wind at all, the fog will only travel about 3 feet before it turns and drifts in the direction of the wind. Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. Shock Wave or the Tac-12 pistols leave a bigger hole ! feral hogs The only real downside is there is not a good rifle to go with the 10 mm. Carry to fit your states wild life? It will drive a 300-grain bullet to over 1,600 fps. In an ambush situation, if you havent been paying attention, you wont have much time to reactMost of the people I know use the Ruger Alaskan pistols in 44mag minimum, next in popularity is the 454 Ruger Alaskan. Rain, Wind, Snow all those things can and will reduce the effectiveness of Bear Spray much more than they would affect the employment of a firearm. Made me wonder Dont these manufacturers know that hard cast is more effective? Perhaps they were just given that name to sound scary, but are really made for 2 legged predators? Works good for road rage as well. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. That winter, I shot a buffalo @ 50 yards with 300 grain federal cast core in a ruger .44 carbine. Anyhow, nice article and just consider the glock 10 mm if you are comfortable with a semi-auto tyoe pistol. cougars The range of a Mountain Lion may cover 25 to 785 square miles. Perfect gun to have, I dont own one to date but I would love to have a monster K frame, you could practice with 45 long Colts. thanx again. Their large hind legs also make them excellent at sprinting for short distances. so why risk it. They have been conditioned to hear a gun and equate it to a free meal. I think anybody going into bear country should read the article about bear defense guns and ammo @ garrettcartridges.com This should answer most questions on the subject. Even When they were hunted with dogs in the 1950s and 60s, many were shot with .22 rimfire cartridges from both rifles and pistols. The .38 Special is the revolver equivalent of the 9X19 semiauto pistol round, which is, after all, only three years newer a development. He makes a grizzly look like a cub. . I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. I dont know anything about bears .but the comment about butchering hogs was funny to me . Even then, I havent seen a failure in nearly 10 loadings, at which time I usually get rid of them. think of anything better to own, carry, keep, and have instantly accessible than a good The .45 Colt has long been my favorite cartridge in the Blackhawk. Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. A 629 classic 44 Mag. Yes. If you did, you wouldnt be even considering spray or a souped up .32 pistol round as your primary weapon of bear defense Cripes, just go to zoo and imagine the zoo born and/or raised sleeping pile of fur your looking at, being really pissed off at you, or just curious, and has a closing velocity of over 30 mph. 50 round box should last a lifetime. having confidence in your weapon. I some what agree. Thank you! Its very light and handy to carry. This would include insanely lar. Buzz, BTW the 2nd encounter was by a friend who was carrying that old M572 shots on a wounded grizzly same load did him in. We were given dominance over the animals, and we all got here at the same time. 296) Alan and Alex are correct. Very interesting. Good luck It is not as if that information is widely out there ..This is part of a Strategy. Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. Thats a lot of lead and a lot of head ( aka, big meplat). I carry both in a Blackhawk Alaska Guide Holster in the field, and in a Galco leather CCW holster under my belt in town: since being on TV, I learned that stalkers can be just as dangerous a charging bear. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. Jim Farmer Teardrop-shaped toes. Bobcat tracks will be much smallerless than 2 inches wide . I asked if he was afraid of the Bears. Trained dogs can be used to capture or kill depredating lions. It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. I hope that you had a good camera and a long lens to shoot it. My wife carries an old Model 60. Yes! Ive never seen too many other rounds do so much damage. He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. Certainly, they have before. Ok Rambo ! Bear spray is actually bear fogger and comes out in a finely atomized mist with absolutely no chance of moving against even the faintest of breezes. If you are confronted by a bear, leave the deer or food and do not run as this triggers the predators instinct to charge after you as prey. Mace or a .45 Colt? Mountain Lions have been known to take out horses, cattle, sheep . I bought Bear Loads in .45 LC and .357 MAG, but they were both hollow points (300 & 180 grains, respectively). Your email address will not be published. The 400gr cowboy loads are mild and I could shoot them all day. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . They called me to come over and look at the tracks. I am 80 years old remember my dad had a meat market . I enjoyed the article. There are too many stories of people getting mauled by bears that charged right through their attempt to spray it, and they could never get to their gun in time once the bear hit. All shots were heart lung.The racoon dispatched with a .45 was knocked about 4 inches sideways, crawled about a foot and died, the racoons shot with the 9 mm flinched and continued staggering towards a brushy ditch and escape, I placed a shot between the shoulder blades as I had gotten behind it and advanced from the high bank of the ditch. ; Dog breeds that are large, powerful, and possess protective instincts, like the German Shepard, are excellent dogs to have . The only explanation that I can think of is that it was pumped full of adrenaline. I have a Springsfield 460 Rowland and 400 CarBon for bears and back cup with 357 Mag in a Tarus 7 shoot to stop any bear. First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. Some dogs work together well enough to make a cat figure it's best to run but rarely will a pack of dogs be able to kill a cougar. The bear biologist was tracking the animals when I stepped out of the woods and she told me how close we were to the bear. Regardless, I draw the line at 10mm and 45 Super as my bottom 2 choices in bear country. Equipped with piano wire springs, the wisely designed transfer bar and adjustable sights, I am very confident with this pistol in hand. great chose but as always ,, we forget the 41 magnum.. 454=1 44=2 and that family on that show Alaska running around with them 10mm auto are waiting to be eating by a Big Brown bear. When I head afield, I nearly always carry one form of sidearm or another, and while the truly dangerous encounters are definitely a rarity, I feel better knowing I can protect my loved ones and coworkers should the event unfold. I was very intrigued by their weapons selection. Great advice. If the mountain lion successfully ambushed a wolf, the fight is immediately over, and the wolf is dead due to a pierced skull or ripped throat. They were relocating a Grizzly to a remote wilderness area. # 3. . I have a buddy who guided a hunter with a .50 AE to a brown in the late eighties when it came out and it was a disaster. , .357 mag. Both holsters always pack into camp with me. There were teams of men racing across Alaska. He said none. Penetration is what is needed, no hollow points. Honestly for a Mountain Lion a human does not have a good chance when it comes down to human w/ knife vs mountain lion, but I do recommend he has a knife in case he would be knocked to the ground or a last resort. In Colorado, population estimates range from 3,000 to 7,000 mountain lions. But .380's tend to be small handguns, and with a mountain lion if it's within the accurate range of a small pocket gun you're likely already dead. Bears do not like facing off with skunks because their nose and eyes are two of their more sensitive parts. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. Almost all .460s are semi-autos. That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. The spent shell casings can end up lost in the grass, sagebrush, bushes, woods, Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. That is your choice. Can some of the huge pistols work? the 45 Colt has the advantage. FL). 9mm is acceptable against two legged foes, but with an angry mountain lion you want something with some real punch to it. Federal, He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. 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