The approximate failure mileage was 77,000. According to letter it covers my vin number. I have a 2008 accord V6 with 110k and just paid it off. Only 39000kms on it. I pushed and pushed and they have now had it for 2 weeks. This will be the last Honda I ever purchase. I just recently had a severe misfire that I couldnt figure out since my scanner read codes for maf and iat sensor. It now appears that I must add oil every 1000 miles so I dont run dangerously low. Honda, what is up with your Accord? Said I hit a pothole but no potholes around my area. The test came back the same though, unfortunately. I have a 2009 accord lx and Im burning 1qt every 1k miles. UPDATE 1: Honda has agreed to a class action lawsuit settlement in this case. The noise lasts for approximately two seconds and sounds like the timing belt system is ratcheting into place. Now a fourth sparkplug has fouled and am replacing almost 3 qts oil between oil changes. The dealer would like to help, but the corporate headquarters disallow. From searching the web I found many people that had the oil consumption problem fixed by replacing the SHORT BLOCK. My 2010 Honda accord EX had this exact issue in 2012 after 50K miles. Now 1 month later I am have the same problem. The quality of Honda has really gone downhill. I just brought a 08 Accord used from a private dealer at about 130k. I purchased a 2008 Accord new. I contacted Honda, their first reaction was to blame AAA for not performing the correct maintenance. Im in on a Class Action Suit, you never knew there was an issue until all of the oil was gone, they should replace it all. Well, when I pulled the oil pan plug only about 1 1/2 to 2 quarts came out and it was some nasty looking oil. Im done w Honda. I was really looking forward to no car payments. I also remember that about 5 months ago I had to change a spark plug because it was fouled and not firing. Got the warranty extension for the piston and piston rings. Id like to find out more on what you have done and what you have received from Honda Canada. Weve taken it to the dealership, and also gotten a second opinion from a Honda Specialist Mechanic shop. Simple check is to start your vehicle and take the oil cap off and youll see blow by gases coming out? We purchased our 2008 Accord in 2010, used and certified by the dealership, with 49,000 miles on it. To add insult to injury, there was nothing put into car fax regarding the work completed on the 2009. I boughta 2010 less than a year ago and I am going through 2 quarts between oil changes. I also have a tingling vibration in the stearing wheel, break and gas peddles when driving and different vibrations when stopped at a light. Had to replace all plugs, 6,000 miles later same issue, Mia fire bad plugs. I drive roughly 1500 highway miles per month. They will not fix the problem on the regular warranty what makes anyone think they will fix it in the future.Honda saws it is OK to use 1 quart of oil every thousand miles. There is some sort of a technical bulletin issued by Honda Canada that they are aware of this issue and will replace pistons, rings etc. Had the brakes thing too. I have to constantly monitor the oil use because of the extraordinary use of oil. I think its about time. 56k miles Bob Howard Honda, Edmond Ok. told me I needed over $800 worth of work to fix this loud noise ( on start up). I really hate that we also bought a 2010 Civic that eats tires. I noticed that it never stays full. The Specialist could not get authorization from the warranty folks to break down the engine. So I have had to live with this problem and still add oil to this car regularly. Get a lot of people to literally haunt them and make their lives miserable. My 09 engine rattles on a cold start. Finally glad I kept my receipts of paying lots of $$ to fix my car twice for this problem at the Honda dealership Sad that I traded the 09 Accord in to the dealer and didnt get much trade in for it so I actually lost more $$. They agreed to fix the issue by putting in new pistons and rings. How to Keep Mice and Rodents Out of Your Car, 2023 Chevrolet Colorado Review: New Style and Substance to Challenge the Tacoma, 2023 Mercedes-Benz C300 Review: Losing Its Way, 2023 Honda Accord Review: Among the Best of Whats Left. This is my third Honda and Im very disappointed and now not sure if I want to buy another one. I puchased new. I will monitor the situation and if the oil consumption goes up, I wont waist my time with this. They updated the software which helped the spark plug following problem, but the milage dropped by 3 gallons a mile. No smoke, no leak. I have been watching the excessive use of oil for about a year now. Like others of you, they say I pass the oil consumption test but for 2500.00 they will fix the oil leak. I have 2012 EX-L-V6 Honda Accord and it is showning the same problem. They admitted they knew about the noise now and had know about the oil issues. After sitting and waiting for over 1.5 hours, he restarted the car and it is now running fine. Did 2 oil consumption test, on first they overfilled engine by 1/2 quart of oil, refilled and changed filter and on second at one quart low added a quart after 200 miles. Due to the fact that the deadline for the class action suit has already ended, what do I do now if I missed it? I also had the break, seat-belt and the dimming headlights every 21 seconds. our 2008 Honda ody doesnt have the active engine management, so far so good but now I know will check oil regularly we have 78k. Will that be covered under the 36k mile warranty?or the longest,power train related warranty? Just wondering where this oil is going? And battery drainage leaving me trip jump start after leaving anything on for over a minute. I had the brake issues on my Honda Accord and now this, they are estimating $2300 in repairs. I just checked my oil level wasnt even on the dip stick just had oil changed 1800 miles ago. while abnormal, burning 1qt every 4k is, in my opinion, acceptable for a car over 10 years old, or over 150k. I have raised a good stink about this and I am waiting to hear from them today on what the out come of a meeting is that the GM had with one of the BIG guys that came into town this past Friday. Dealership told me I need to replace pistons at a time of 3,000.00. I took the car to Honda and they told me all I needed to do was upgrade to synthetic oil. Theres a different shade of grey o be the driver side door and the alarm would go off multiple times after engaging with the remote. now the oil defect lawsuit what happened to honda quality ?? I bought a Honda because I thought it was a good car. Recently it has been running and idling roughly and was misfiring during acceleration. and has not been this great of a burden. 2009 Accord wit a V-6 engine. My 2010 i4 accord coupe that I bough about a year ago has started to burn oil! The car doesnt foul spark plugs as is the case with cars that burn oil. Once again the lawyers win. Burning oil Honda did an oil consumption test and stated the amount burned is normal. I have called Honda Canada, they also say it is normal. How the hell can you be reimbursed for repair when Honda would never acknowledge that there was a problem. The dealer refused to acknowledge this problem so i called honda. I do all interstate driving. I AM TIRED OF HONDA BLOWING SMOKE UP MY ASS. Something you dont expect from a honda. Today, the car will barely run. I have honda accord sedan 2009 ex-l with same issue that 100s of people . Your motor will burn 1 qt every 1k miles. Just complanied to American Honda Corporation. So I took it to Honda. He had told me that as long as it was above 0% it would be fine. I have all my records. The complete details of all recalls are listed below, along with what they cover and the recommended solutions.. It makes a horrible sound like a crazy rattling noise. Honda accord 2009 v6 just replaced spark plug 4 and 5 at 68500 miles. The dealerships are running me in loops! GOT CASE NUMBER CLAIM WITH AMERICAN HONDA CORP. ALSO CONTACTED LAWYER. I bought my Honda Accord Coupe EX-L brand new in 2010. I think something is o untold about the vehicle. Whatever that means. October 2015 edited December 2017 I just recently learned that my car (2009 Honda Accord, 4 cyl.) UPDATE 2: This class action settlement now includes other Honda vehicles, including the Honda Accord, Odyssey and Crosstour. The rate that Honda says is acceptable 1 qt in 1000k would mean I would use the entire volume of my crankcase between oil changes. The fix he said was to replace ALL pistons and piston rings at a cost of $3000 plus tax. No more Hondas for this family! I am bringing my car for repair today since they have finally figured out the problem (it has been over 2 years) I pray that this lawsuit works out and I get reimbursed. What do I do now? Since this dealership was clearly incompetent, or dishonest, or more likely, both, I asked Honda corporate to suggest another dealership to do the repair.which is supposed to take about 3 days according to Hondas service bulletin. < 88K miles - Maintained the car religiously (can provide maintenance records) now I am told that I need to replace the Gasket and Short Block. first and last HONDA .ALL HONDA VEHICLES ARE SCRAPGARBAGE. Details on how to file a claim coming soon. I thought my 2008 accord oil burning is an isolated problem. Hondo does not want to fix it. This only occurs on a cold start, meaning the engine has not been running for 4 or more hours. I think everyone needs to know HONDA is not backing their product by fixing the very excessive oil consumption problems. that reports on class action lawsuits, class action settlements, They should have send out a letter on a case by case basis as there are a lot of people who have low mileage on their Accords. The likes of this I have never seen. How can I get in on this class action lawsuit? Top Class Actions is a legal news source After reading all these stories im shocked and convinced that this is a huge problem for honda. When I threatened to sue them they replace the rotors for free but again the same thing. I should have never been charged for anything but the oil change. I have contacted Honda and several Honda dealers they state this is acceptable oil consumption. Thats where I stand at this point. They refilled the oil with over 30 quarts over this period. Getting a code that refers to chamber 1 or quadrant 1 misfiring . Luckily the engine did not blow up. Fed up. I travel a lot and now cant trust my car anymore . It uses up to 5 quarts betweeen oil changes. The eighth-generation Accord sedan and coupe (2008 to 2012) have received numerous complaints about excessive brake wear and noise, high oil consumption, engine misfires, and air conditioning problems. Same issue here. Now they say that Because my car as the original owner was in service at 2008 I am out of luck because I had up to 2016 to fix the issue. Added to comment below, The noise stopped as soon as the dealer changed the oil and it was actually full. Did you know there is a brake problem as well ? Editors note: This is only one of dozens of service bulletins issued each month by automakers. I own a 2008 Honda Accord and have had problems with the excessive oil consumption since day 1. I need to be added to the list with this class action case before I drop 1 more penny on this piece of junk. We have gone to checking the oil often and refilling when necessary. Have a 2009 Honda Accord, having the same issues as everyone else, using excessive amounts of oil, I have an appointment at the dealership. Numerous complaints are available on other websites too, including the complaints forum of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the Accord oil defect class action lawsuit says. I have the same issue as everyone else. I never received any notice as an owner of this make and model. Ive been there 100x and its still within a year of the huge maintenance. The last time I stopped by the dealer was before this letter came to me. If you are dissatisfied with your vehicle performance or have a product complaint, please contact Honda Automobile Customer Service at (800) 999-1009. This is my 1st and last Honda. Honda replaced No.3 plug and updated software. Dave (#105 & #108), do you have any more details on the recall in Canada. I have had 12 new Honda cars since 1984. Just took started to notice that the car is burning oil in between oil changes (all done at Honda). But it gets worse!! Premature brake wear on rear wheels. My 2009 accord 2.4 is burning excessive amount of oil and I can smell the burning of the oil. I have a 08 Accord LX with 102K. The lawsuit is seeking damages, restitution and injunctive relief for violations of the Consumers Legal Remedies Act, the Unfair Competition Law, the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act, and for breach of express warranty. I am worried what will happen in the future if they just mend the problem. Would like to be on this law suit just in case. down 3 qts again. I avoided the class action suit on the rear brake issue. I have the 08 v6 accord. Its disappointing that the dealership wouldnt have said something to me when I had my oil changed. Another dealership replaced the short block. This sounds like whats wrong with my 2010 Crosstour. 2008 Honda Accord. DETROIT (AP) Nissan is recalling more than 809,000 small SUVs in the U.S. and Canada because a key problem can cause the ignition to shut off while they're being driven. I have a 2008 Honda Accord that is experiencing this defect. Bought it used with roughly 45000 miles. Total for car was 9200. I have a an appt on Tuesday to take it in, but Im not going through all this oil consumption test crap. I thought it was an isolated issue, but now I see its common. It eats tires and brakes and has an internal oil leak (assumed). driveaccord.net is not in any way affiliated with Honda Motor Company, VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 2009 Honda with oil consumption problem my sons car for college cant trust either car or Honda. They finally are contacting Honda. Extending the warranty will not fix the problem. I have also had spark plugs replaced twice within the year. Honda has the worst customer service I ever dealt with. They told me a piece of a spark plug broke off into the cylinder and could not assess the extent of the damage. I had no hope up until now as Honda denies an issue other than a useless software update. I dont know why it is so low whenever i change my oil. I then proceeded to do the waste of time oil consumption test. after 2500KM run the Oil down has been fully dropped and now the Honda Dealer is doing the test which I need to take it every 1000Km. I own a 2008 Accord EXL V6 and it is currently in my garage for the 3rd time in the almost 2 years ive owned it with no oil in the engine. before my first plug change. He said that somebody screwed me over on my last oil change (I had less than a quart of oil remaining), or my car is burning oil somewhere. Thanks. 22,000 miles in to my purchace had low oil pressure light come on. Unburnt gas will start creating carbon deposits that makes the rings stick allowing oil to bypass the oil ring, They also told me to stay away from gas that contains ethanol. My 09 accord all start to show the signs:oil pressure lights up. I was getting oil changes every month. Its what I was after given the high number of miles I drive and the long term I tend to keep vehicles. I have a 2008 honda accord 6 cylinder with VCM engine. 2009 Honda Accord V6 with 36k miles burns through oil. Im not a honda specialist, lol! I have contacted the dealership again and of course they know nothing about any of this. We also had thecomputer software update. I bought my 2009 Accord in Dec of 2008 and ever since it hit 20K I have had to put between 4 and 13 quarters in between 3K oil changes. For those of you that continue to tolerate the issues regarding your Honda, please dont. Still waiting to get maintenance records to let Honda try to use fine print to beat warranty, some things are just too obvious. Also the spark plugs have misfired a couple of different times. Go figure. I took it to Honda and now since Ive just hit 100k they want to charge me the $100 diagnostic few. The change indicator would consistently show 40%-50% before the required change. Added oil and when it was time to change oil/filter it was 2 qts low again. Dealer warrenty installed a new plug. I kept up all the maintences and had no problems until about 55k. I also have a 2008 4 cyl accord and ive had to add a quart of oil almost every 1500 miles in between oild changes. It was a half a quart low. This is the 3rd time Ive brought it to service with this problem. There is NO excuse for this I want to join this class action matter. After a week of hearing it I stopped fast at a light and the oil light flashed on then went right off. Also if i had to change the whole engine(short block?) my 2008 Honda Accord burning 2 Qts of oil a month who do I talk to about this problem and get resolved. Another misfire incident occurred the other day and I took it in. Am I too late? I bought the car used with 17000 miles on it. Sorry , we cant help you , not even to offer any assistance as a loyal customer. I have a 2008 Honda Accord. We also have fouled plugs #1,2 & 3. Only driven 70 miles on the car since I left the dealership. Brought the car in for the 1000 mi oil consumption test. I bought my 2008 Honda Accord EX-L (4cyl) and first of the bat there were two issues: my front bearing was defective and the breaks issue that eventually got resolved. If this happens, uncontrolled oil burning may occur inside the engine, causing it to misfire. Im not even a mechanic and know that is a bunch of crap. It is consuming oil at a rate of 1.5 quarts per 1,000 highway miles. First and last Honda. I give up.. Code after code and no one helps on this site. We had extended and complained about the oil burning the first year the car was purchased so it was all documented by Honda, they originally were going to replace the pistons and rings and whatever else once they started the work there was to much damage then they dropped in a new motor, that was back in March the car runs like new checked oil its still clean and hasnt burned any oil! The only way to even get them to learn how to deal with their customers is to call up their corporate USA headquarters. After months of fighting Honda of America rebuilt my engine last week at no charge. HAD TO REPLACE SPARK PLUGS TWICE. The 15% oil life light had just come on. Also, they apparently knew about this problem and covered it up. Fingers crossed. This work is performed by Honda certified technicians and is provided at no-charge to our owners. It has been burning a quart of oil every thousand miles since it had 81,000 miles. Read More. I have a 2009 honda accord EXLbought it brand new with 28 miles on it. I am extremely pissed and upset with this matter. Im having the same oil issues and understand the its too late to file a claim. Was told to just change the oil at 5k instead of the maintenance minder. To diagnose And replace spark plugs was 600.00. This week, being fed up I told the manager their explanations are ridiculous and I am going to a lawyer asap. I have a 2010 Honda Accord v6 ex-l. Honda just rebuilt the motor because of the oil consumption problem. How can I get in this Class Action Settlement???? Got a call later that said the car didnt make such noise. Both times, the car used Oil at a rate of 2.5 qts / 3k miles. Every time I have reached my destination, I have had to add oil. I have a 2008 4cyl, I have had this issue twice. I am very concerned about the damage this has caused to my engine while I try to manage the problem without their help. A grand total of around $3100 to fix this issue since they are not going to cover it. Honda has been trying to cover this up for too long and I am tired of playing their games. The dealerships recognize the recall/oil problems and should fix them free. WE OWN A 2008 V6 ACCORD IT DOES USE OIL MORE THAN NORMAL. Am I eligible for the class action lawsuit? Privacy Policy | Well, it was not fine because there was barely any oil in the engine. What do I do now? I could not believ that the oil was running low in a vehicle that was about two years old. I filed a complaint with BBB, but they could not do anything since my car is at 137,000 miles now. Add me to this list. Ridiculous. I drive a lot for work. Had to pay for it myself. They said nothing about an oil consumption test. of oil every week. Make sure your hands are clean before beginning, as oil and grease can contaminate the pistons if left on. I just had my mechanic check over the engine and found no leaks. 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