Save Share. The problem is that it forces you to have to think when to hold under a certain amount on closer targets and when to hold dead on. Repeated trips walking up and down the range and hopefully you are at least on paper for your first group Well, Frank Proctor, from Way of the Gun, and Jerking the Trigger have come up with a great target. The same concept applies to Marines. His 36-yard zero target is perfect. That brings me to these two options, which Id like to talk about together because theyre pretty similar and do well to exploit the advantages of a practical carbine. .s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);padding-top:5px}.s5ap8yh1b4ZfwxvHizW3f._19JhaP1slDQqu2XgT3vVS0{color:#ea0027} When you shoot a rifle, if the rifle was perfectly level with the ground, gravity starts to pull the bullet down immediately, so the bullet would hit low at 100 yards. The latest content straight to your inbox plus an automatic entry to each of our monthly gungiveaways! Now, the arguments that Ive read on each of these techniques could put a good, old fashioned Ford vs. Chevy debate to shame. In the video "ex-navy seal" Shawn Ryan, talks about the normal zeros.25,50,100, but he also speaks of an unusual one of 36 yards. This includes 10.3 and 14.5 using 55g IMI and 77g Mk262 and BH equivalents. In that trajectory chart above, I'm a max of 1.4 mils high at 100 yards, 1.7 mils low at 450 yards, and dead-on at 300 yards, as far as holdovers. To me, the 36 yard zero makes things about as simple as they can get for a multi-purpose rifle that could be used for range, home defense or duty use. It is a simple target with a 1.9 grid and two dots. So a 50 yard zero on a 16inch 5.56/223 barrel is point and shoot out to 200 yards and everything after that is a holdover. What I mean by different rifle zeros, Specifically in 223 or 5.56 caliber rifles, is the different ranges you can zero your rifle at andhow they affect the trajectory. Using iron sights the SKS manual calls for a 100 meter zero prone with just a sling. 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You can click here to access the PDF. Grabbed it and went out today to sight it in at 36 yards. Whenzeroing at a closer distance, the bullet will arc likeafootball. To see for myself how these two zeros stack up, I took two similarly set up rifles to the range, one zeroed to 50 yards and the other zeroed to 36 yards. At 25 yards, a 10 yard zero yields a 1 1/2" hold under. Next trip to the range I will be checking this out using M80 Ball. If you want to sight in at 100 yards - then just have the shots be 3.0 inches high. Temp was in low 40s, but windchill made it much colder. At the range I ran through some drills to work on accuracy and precision. And the process begins all over. Once you learn the bullet drop, then you are left with windage which is the hard part in open country. You are using an out of date browser. Still shows up as a 42/250 zero. Cons: Harsh hold unders out to 225 yards. The black represents your point of aim. I see that makes sense I dont have a 45* mrd. 1 MOA= roughly 1 at 100 yards (2 at 200 yards.) I was recently reading about the 36 yard zero and would like to try it out. (The target is specifically for your AR-15 / M-4. The 36 yard zero is nothing new. The bullet is still rising to meet your point of aim at 36 yards, this is why the impact point is low on the target. All your load data fits neatly in the boxes under each target. Largest hold under is 2.75 at 125 yards. Your largest holds are 4ish inches under at 175 yards and 3ish inches over at 300 yards. Posted February 16, 2015 in Optics, Rifles by Nathan S with 22 CommentsTags: City Shooting, JTT, Making Things Easy, targets. That seems like a lot. This gives a pretty good point blank range of around sixty yards. I prefer to check the zero at 50 yards quickly and then check again at 200 on a new target when possible. For better or worse, the 36 yard zero is basically a hybrid that flattens out the St. Louis Arch of a trajectory the 25 yard zero creates while still providing a decent maximum range. In both exercises I didnt feel I had to work harder to get hits using one zero or the other. Currently, this is probably the most common AR configuration going, shooting the most common ammunition available. @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} 300 yards is great for longer barrels. The whole debate is pretty stupid. 1 Quote CENTURIATOR Banned 347 Location:Saint Louis Posted November 14, 2018 I prefer to zero at 36 yards, for the reasons provided in the video above. The reason for this is that at distance your hold over won't be as much and . 36 is a good combat zero (where just hitting center mass is the goal) but definitely not the best for a precision/long range setup. AT 36 you are going to have to hold under at 50 and maybe at 100. It is a clean design that is easy to see even at 200 yards with a 20x scope. A solid option for shooting a short-barreled 223/5.56 to 200 yards. I can also tell you from experience that when youre amped up and the lizard brain takes over, youll really only be thinking point and shoot. You can also . The 10 yard red dot zero is pretty simple, but it does require the shooter to be able to shoot 3 shots that all touch each other or almost touch each other at 10 yards. Live The Armory Life. This makes it easy to achieve the POA/POI relationship necessary to achieve the 50/200 yard zero at 10 yards. The only catch is these are done in 5 5 6, so the next question is whether or not this zero will hold with a throw a platform. Thanks again and hope you get some rest. Looks more like that. This provides a trajectory with a maximum ordinate during flight of just over 4.5" above the line of sight at around 200 yards. Springfield Armory recommends you seek qualified and competent training from a
bullet, when zeroed at 26 yards, angles above the line-of-sight 2.81 inches at 200 yards, crosses the line of sight (zero) again at approximately 275 yards, before falling beyond 3 inches low at 310 yards. 36 is a good combat zero(where just hitting center mass is the goal) but definitely not the best for a precision/long range setup. Drives me nuts when I have to zero a rifle for 3-gun and the longest range I can get too quickly is a scant 15 yards. This affords me the ability to be a little more precise on smaller targets out to 200-250 yards without hold-overs. A 36 yard zero will be on at 36 yards, and slightly low inside of that due to sight offset. Make the charts mil or moa based and redo your anslysis. You have to take your gun out and zero it and then verify it at different ranges to see what you prefer. I mentioned inread more , A question has come to mind lately about the various product offerings out in the firearm world particularly red dotread more . The only category in which the 36 y zero loses is it produces that greatest rise along the trajectory, and that's at 100 yards (1.29"). My advice is to get a ballistic calculator and put in your specific data because there are all sorts of things that will affect the results. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I'll take it. I have an AR-10 and a Bolt action, that need to be zeroed. You will be able to leave a comment after signing in, AR15Armory.com Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. . Kurt Warner. It is a simple target with a 1.9 grid and two dots. If you only have 25 meter/yard lanes, just do the math for the offset. This article is for people who are new to firearms and need some data to help zero their rifle, or for people who dont know about the different rifle zeroes and trajectory. Personally, I think you are overthinking it. Nice work. Thus giving you 5-8 hold-under until about 225 yards. I are confused. I am 75 yo and I can not read the gray very well, really strains my eyes. 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Compared to a 50 yard zero, its peak trajectory is slightly taller, about 4" above line of sight between 150-200 yards. GET OUT AND SHOOT! Red dots are for speed not precision. The USMC method sees you zero at 36-yards for the initial intersection and that gets you all the way out to 300-yards. 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process. In ballistic ae for example you can set a vital zone radius and in the chart it will give you the zero range and max range to hit inside that radius with no hold or adjustment. I have a Colt Sporter Match HBAR with A2 sights, built in 1993. It works but i went back to a 50 yard. Not sure how big the Holo red dot is. It is a very fast way to zero an AR-15 which is very convenient for me since many of my carbines are in a constant state of flux as I try various items for review. Compared to a 50 yard zero, its peak trajectory is slightly taller, about 4 above line of sight between 150-200 yards. The overlaid circles in the included illustrations help to visualize what that 3 MOA extreme spread translates to on a target at a given distance to get beyond arbitrary ballistic figures. I use the 36 yard zero for all my irons and red dots. optics get the standard 100 yard zero. It produces the narrowest range between the maximum rise and drop values (9.86"). Nice But why are all the charts grayed out? In the offset mount do you do a offset zero since it isnt directly over bore? certified instructor prior to handling any firearm and be sure to read your owners manual. Cons: Not ideal for a red dot zero. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. To me this makes the 100 yard zero a perfect choice for a carbine that will be used in close terrain where long shots will be limited. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} Crappy weather, windy day, but what the heck. Shawn is correct based on this analysis. Been using this for about a year. This article will be very simple with lots of pictures. I still use the 100 yard zero though. For the heavier rounds, I'd zero, as jc says, 1" high at 100 yards. Note: a 200 yard zero and a 50 yard zero are practically the same for these calibers. This strategy does not provide much of an advantage unless longer range shooting is . The old school way you would zero your rifle is at 100 yards that way everything is just a holding above the targetpast 100 yards (known as holdover). Click to expand. Cons: None out to 200 yards. 36 yard zero or 25 yard danielosborn1994 Feb 11, 2023 The #1 community for Gun Owners in Indiana Member Benefits: Fewer Ads! 50 yards is 1/2 inch high, 150 yards 1.5 high. The 36/300 zero is where its at for irons or red dots. Most people can find a 10 yard (30 feet) line of sight in their home. Ballistic Advantage is one of the household names in AR15 barrel manufacturing. I sight mine at 10 yards for both sport shooting and SD. The above post is my opinion and does not reflect the views of any company or organization. SIGHTS ARE ZEROED TO THE WEAPON, NOT TO THE PERSON SHOOTING THE RIFLE Either the sight is matched to the bullet trajectory, or it isn't. Your largest holds are 4ish inches under at 175 yards and 3ish inches over at 300 yards. Dead simple to use at 25 yard range. Once you get to the 4 MOA they tend to cover your target at distance and your aim is kinda spray and pray. With rifles like the AR15and the typical ranges of the intermediate cartridge(normally within 300 yards), you can manipulate the bullet trajectory. Mar 8, 2017. However, over that 100 yards the trajectory is remarkably consistent. I like that idea, if I make another article like this I will see if I can do that. Since one MOA equals 2" at 200 yards, that 5.4 inches at 200 yards equals 2.7 MOA - which is exactly what we will apply in Step Two to all other distances. This should give you a 4" point blank range from the muzzle out to nearly 200 yards. Powered by Invision Community. Go with a 50 and be done with it. To print the target, click the last link and be sure to follow the instructions on printing. Especially with a 7.5 Just about any self defense situation is gonna be well within that range anyway. If everything goes well with your initial work at 10 yards, you can then use the black dot to check your zero at 50 or 200 yards since it should be relatively free of impacts. If you want to be sure, you will have to put your numbers into a ballistic calculator or give it a try. You must log in or register to reply here. Product prices mentioned in articles and videos are current as of the date of publication. For a standard 16 barrel shooting 223/5.56, the 50-yard zero is the flattest shooting and you just need to remember that last 200 yards you start to aim higher and 300 yards, as long as you can see your target, wont be impossible to hit with a red dot. 36 Yard Zero for .556? I shot a tight group at 25 and the strangest thing happened at 100. How many grains for the projectile and what ballistic coefficient, or do you just want those the same? 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