I took a look at my Vepr 12 and I cannot see any differences between yours and mine. The only slugs I run now are the Brenneke. Second if you want to shoot light loads you have to adjust the gas system and set it to pos. Price was 799.99 and was from Classic Arms. That said, Ill admit that in the reviews I have done Ive tried to add any categories that I felt had a direct affect on the overall score so the overall did make more sense when taking into account the stuff above it. Vepr 12 Problems, Turn to the Internet Posted on August 25, 2013by shootip5 Vepr 12 Problems, The Internet is my Only Hope: So I start Googling "Vepr 12" , "Vepr 12 problems" and I come across www.Vepr.orgmessage board. Paste as plain text instead, Break it in a bit. The button is located smartly ahead of the trigger guard in the middle of the receiver. The height over bore with a VEPR-12 or Saiga makes a bead not work well. MAGS INCLUDED. I have an aimpoint M2 on mine. I guess I'm different in that I never look for a "end-all-be-all" firearm be it hand/long. I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! First, your limited thinking cant come up with all the tactical and practical applications for a semi-auto shotgun that reloads quickly and easily? But Im not volunteering to be the test case. I couldnt tell you on the overpenetraion aspect, as most of their buckshot is the same across the board. With the Vepr, I went through about 50 and didnt have a sore shoulder. Other places I looked at wanted $1000-1200 for a new unconverted Saiga. Polishing Molot Vepr 12 and Saiga 12 Author: takkuta I was looking for a buttstock for my Vepr 12 Molot. cause to beleave its not they just cant arrest us or hold u, they need reason befor they ack, So Second, see my comment right above yours. ak-74-for-sale i would like to see an update to the review considering 800 is the new price.. +1 Its annoying and frustrating, and if this were my gun that would be the first thing to go. A place for responsible gun owners and enthusiasts to talk about guns without the politics. There are a lot of internet experts out there. Firearmsshop.org is one of the best psychedelics company that ship to all states within 24 hours an also ships 3-6 days internationally. Call me vain, but my second reason for buying a gun after having a use for it is aesthetics. I think you mean (4+4+4+4)/4. Thanks guys. Unfortunately it had cycling problems the entire time. Message boards are awesome resources of knowledge. I think the best point in this review is what do you use it for? Do as Gunfun suggested and get some 3 Dram or higher. This is a really poor inaccurate review. With the array of ammo, loads, shot type, etc, making one that runs everything is near impossible. In this video I do a short review of my new Vepr 12 and test the shotgun using both high brass and low brass ammunition. That is the bolt lock. About 5 min with a dremmel and you can add a little more value to your gun, of course you should always .make the gun 922r compliant first. Again read the instructions! If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. I went through 8 guns to get 3 that worked. In reality, when you think about it, these guns were made for the Russian military and I doubt they are running any "low brass" through them since they are designed to kill. Its good in theory, but in practice its annoying and somewhat sharp. It must be that new STUPID CORE Math ..you know the Obammy way of doing things.. .I saw this as a news story on C hicken N oodle N ews.. Another use is deer/hog hunting. This is Russian AK; is built of steel, like Russian T-34 tank. I slicked up the feeding ramp on my first one But in hind sight that was just lazy. If not them some other fix may be necessary. Vepr 12 owner here. You can also connect 2 together doubling your capacity. Dissident Arms designed our competitionguide rod assembly to correct inconsistent spring stacking, making for much smoother travel of the carrier during cycling. Others it works right out of the box. Overall the VEPR-12 is a dramatic improvement over the Saiga. They need some help with smoothing and polishing parts inside and such. If something goes bump in the night just grab it and rack the slide. We test the VEPR-12 a few different ways to see how this monster feeds. Everything has passed very smoothly and after the order has been made in 2 days the parcel was sent out. The first pic is original and the second is modded. Maybe your reviews should mention some of these things, or maybe youre not so inclined. The Vepr 12 shotgun is a hefty piece of machinery. Considering that standard OOB over penetrates at 1325 FPS for HD purposes, and has a ratty pattern, 1600 FPS would seem a move in the wrong direction. The areas in blue should be left in tact. My vepr 74 needed the fcg polished, it wouldn't reset on its own because shit was gritty and would catch and not let go. http://thetruthaboutguns.com/author/foghorn/, Gun Review: Taurus GX4XL T.O.R.O. Your link has been automatically embedded. I really didnt have a good reason to buy it other than the fact that they arent being imported anymore. I don't post too often on these sites, but I have had such horrible problems with my VEPR-12 and such subsequent fantastic results with it that I felt compelled to leave a post. I don't know about VEPRsbut my S12 won't cycle if you don't have it firmly shouldered. It sure has hell seems like a lot of people commenting on here have never even handled a Vepr 12. Friend lose things. Powered by Invision Community. Since the Saiga puts you in the higher classes of 3 gun I bought a Mossberg 930 SPX. Bet this gun would be ideal for sasquatch hunting. We test the gun exactly as it comes from the factory. Ratings are relative to all other similar firearms. If you want to shoot the lower end of the range, try one of the CSS springs. I had new in box Saigas with crooked gas ports and not enough gas ports. http://sinistralrifleman.com/2012/02/01/the-saiga-12-saga/, Im not gonna get into the whole bias argument.I would just like to point out that only AFTER reading the entire review, and well into the comments section did I see someone correct you on the fact there IS a manual bolt hold open on this particular weapon. Hornady claims to use different powders in their defensive loads to minimise muzzle flash, so that is probably different. Maybe a little break-in in some cases makes sense, but having to fix it like replacing parts with aftermarket ones or polishing stuff, etc before it cycles properly is not a good thing and nobody should expect that with any modern firearm. The exact same thing happened. And lastly, just my opinion, If paralax is an issue and you cant compensate for 1 then maybe a different hobby is better for you. From below, I had it on the bench when I was using the dremel for the stock set, so it going to clean this one and potentially just buy a nicer one. All had a velocity of approximately 1200 fps. The VPO-206 series is chambered for 12 Gauge [18.5x70mmR] shells. Classic Firearms just put these on sale for $799/shipped. Mainly tweaked cartridge stops and ejectors, and worn bars. I get what you saying. Unlike the IZ-109 manually adjustable gas regulator system used on the Saiga-12, the gas system on the Vepr-12 is a clone of the IZ-433 unregulated fixed open port tappet system, allowing the Vepr-12 to cycle most commercially available 12-gauge loads, from 3.25 dram equivalent and up, without risking damage to the shotgun and without requiring any manual adjustment by the user. You left out a very important feature of the bolt-release button on the VEPR-12, which acts like the bolt release on an AR-15. I prefer 5, 8, and 10 rounders. The price for the basic package is about $210 which honestly seemed a little pricey at first, but I was at my wits end with this gun and decided to pull the trigger as it were. Plus, the ones at my WalMart are 1315fps. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. Its a shotgun, anything more than a brass bead and youre over thinking your shot. Molot VEPR. (1) 8 Rd Magazine and (1) 5 Rd Magazine. so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. springfield-hellcat-for-sale Weight w/o Magazine: 9.7 lbs / 4.4 kg. I am assuming your problem is with the trigger somewhere, but I can't be certain. Glad I held off on a Saiga. With the cheek pad in place I couldnt get a good sight picture, and with it removed I couldnt get any kind of cheek or even chin weld on the stock. But what if it is intended to be like that? Its much more convenient and a lot quicker to reload. I believe completely that there is room for personal opinion on a reviewbut no reason whatsoever to leave out/ get WRONG tec.data. If there were only a single overall rating, it may not reflect whats important to some people vs. others. Upload or insert images from URL. Man, does that look awkward and ungainly. Hopefully Ill have a great running Vepr 12!!!! They included that button on the bottom of the receiver it is in front of the trigger this allows you to lock the bolt without an inserted magazine. Stock Saigas often simply didnt work at all. I find the Vepr 12 section and start a new thread. It actually works and is much easier to use. http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/vepr-12-gauge-shotgun-pre-order-detail.html?Itemid=0, http://www.classicfirearms.com/long-guns/vepr12gashotgun-1. No complaints thus far. Check out our video on the Russian Molot VEPR-12 and tell us what you think. Mechanically, anyway. Paste as plain text instead, I live in the shotgun only part of Michigan, and Ive been using a saiga with an eotech for the last two years. The fixes are about the same as the Saiga, but there is less need for friction work. True the manual from I mash is terrible, but 10min on the s12 forums fixes that problem. theres no prosecution history of 922r at all. Upload or insert images from URL. Then the question become: why have the rating system at all? To which I reply that guns are tested in factory condition, and a gun that needs to be fixed before you can actually use it is a pretty piss poor gun.. Ergonomics Firing: * * * * yep, just about all AKs have some contact of the rear trunnion with the carrier. Your piston gets guided into position by the gas tube. Positioned about in the same spot that the bolt hold open tab was for the Saiga-12 shotgun, the tab now works as a bolt release allowing you to press this one tab and let the bolt slide home. You need to pull it into your shoulder when shooting the low power stuff. Ive seen some of the video and it looks like Vepr-12 doesnt like some optics on its top rail. Press J to jump to the feed. mossberg-930-spx-pistol-grip-for-sale, https://shootarillusions.com/product/best-6-5-creedmoor-500-rounds/, https://shootarillusions.com/product/hornady-hp-xtp-9mm-124-grain-bullets/. The Vepr-12 is exported worldwide. From what I understand, you are not supposed to use low brass ammo in the VEPR12 - it's in the manual somewhere. the gas piston threaded into the bolt carrier has a little play in it side to side where it actually threads into the bolt carrier. If you dont like the stock, replace it with something else like you would do on an AR. Thus, the trigger group is exactly where it should be. I have thought about using it to hunt with in the future as I can buy 2 round mags. I second the Wally world suprema ammo. And yes, as the previous reviews said, not the same as a Saiga, this has auto adjust gas and can fire various types of loads from the same magazine or from magazine to magazine. Have you disassembled your weapon at all? Finally, I came across an outfit named Cobra's Custom based in North Carolina and run by a gunsmith named Shannon Neely. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Mine runs 2 3/4 Dram (Winchester AA). The commercial load that I think makes most sense for HD is a #4 buck higher velocity load with the flight control wad that Federal sells as a coyote buster. The 1276 marking means you can shoot 3 inch shells out of this gun. Your bolt could also be an issue, but I would have to see pictures.Let me know if you upload any new pictures, and I'll take another look. mandalorian-armor-for-sale The other point is gun is great COMBAT gun for which it was designed. My long saga was over. Are you rapid firing, or taking your time between the shots? I received my VEPR-12 shortly after the ban on Russian imports began and probably paid a little too much for it, but what the heck! Early versions of the Vepr-12 were produced by Izhmash, with production moving to the Molot factory where the shotgun was redesigned and mass-produced. I recommend factory springs. The gun will fire, cycle, eject, and feed a new round, but the trigger reset for the second round doesnt seem to be happening. Take advantage of our guide rod install service, available here: Recoil Guide Rod Assembly VEPR-12 Dissident Arms, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/15-wolff-recoil-spring/, http://dissidentarms.com/index.php/product/da-recoil-rod-installation/. As a practical matter, 922r compliance is something the feds care a lot about IF you are a large scale manufacturer, but not if you are the end user. Ignoring for a minute that its inside the trigger guard which is a huge safety concern to some people, the role reversal means that theres no easy way to lock the bolt open when the gun runs dry. If you don't give a it good back stop, you can cause the FTE's. I get lots of help. Somethingto try and may help. The CD, Superformance, and Zombie loads are all the same shit with different hulls. Sometimes price is included in the ratings, and usually it is in the discussion. 2. Third, I say uninformed because as was covered by other responses there is indeed a bolt hold open button that eliminates the supposed need to use an empty magazine to lock the action open. . I just cannot see how this can be dangerous. July 25, 2013 in Vepr-12, so im not sure if this is an actual problem or not as this (v12) is my first ak platform weapon of any kind. The VEPR has the standard Krebs adapter affixed. Pretty much a must have. You might have better luck with the 3 1/4 dram eq row of the chart. This results in roughness in the action and (FTE) Failure to Eject problems. fack is most usa parts not mark The slide locks back easily by pushing the little button in front of the trigger guard (just behind the magazine release paddle). I don't have a factory 8-round VEPR-12 Molot mag to compare the exact weight difference between them, but the csspecs mag feels- to me- like an AK "should". I've compiled the 12 gauge 2 2/3" shells for your reference: http://www.doitdarith.com/temp/vepr12/wolfammo12gaugevepr12.html. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Molot VEPRSHOTGUN. If you can get a few pictures I can at least compare with my Vepr 12. I suppose that makes sense for hogs though. lol. Much like its cousin the Saiga-12, the Vepr-12 is ideal for clay shooting, with appropriate optics. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. In the buttstock there is shock-absorbing system and T6 hard anodized aluminum buffer tube. The list calls 1400fps rifled slughs high powered ammo, but i have some Hornady 9 pellet 00 that runs 1600fps. The bolt release tab then protrudes out indicating you have a locked colt. Dew out of the air after it was fired by my can cannon, so I really need this resolved because I have serious uses for it like shooting two cans of dewy from the sky. Make sure to subscribe to our channel for more!\r\rFacebook: https://www.facebook.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/mistergunsdotcom\r\rWebsite: https://misterguns.com/ First, there are four (4) ratings before the overall. Are you using the factory magazine or aftermarket? In particular, the shotgun has carved out a niche among IPSC competition shooters, one of the Vepr-12's target audiences. $2,699.99. Yet I do not like the embargoes pertaining to Russia or China as it really only adversely effects respective citizens in both countries as well as the U.S..Now, transferring high-tech military type technology I get.