http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0411/12/lkl.01.html, There are more details about the Watts precarious and declining financial situation in the body of this article as well: https://shakedowntitle.com/tag/scott-peterson/. https://www.ftc.gov/sites/default/files/documents/public_comments/trade-regulation-rule-disclosure-requirements-and-prohibitions-concerning-business-opportunities-ftc.r511993-00010%C2%A0/00010-57283.pdf. Even if he raged and killed Shannon because she killed her girls, I would much rather be guilty for killing Shannon because she killed my babies then be a monster guilty of killing my daughters so I would have called for help so the cops could do their job and get the evidence to back up my story. I was terrified gravity would wreck my boobs. In that sense when you learn her OCD was a significant factor, you ask how significant. Do you think youre asking for reasonable evidence that would be commonplace and easy to produce? I think he may have snapped and killed Bella first. Youre obviously trolling! The autopsy report details her cause of death and injuries. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. The FBI agents had already profiled that the wife had been strangled because theyd been through the house with luminol & found no blood splatter, and because children were involved also believed smothering was involved. like others, cannot wrap my brain around his behavior. Shanann Was Wrapped in a Sheet & Buried in a Shallow Grave That Watts Dug With a Shovel Police reportsThe crime scene. Judging any of the characters in this story as either all good or all bad doesnt help us figure out what really happened. It is most likely that the girls were dead by 6 PM Sunday night already, which was why Chris couldnt reschedule the murders as soon as he heard ShanAnns flight would be delayed, thereby cutting dangerously into his cleanup time. Strangleholds require little physical strength. Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. Shannan was a hypochondriac, who was gonna turn her kids into the same. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. Bella Watts Autospy Report She was wearing a black or gray t-shirt and blue underwear. Thats inaccurate. His mom I think knew about it prior. Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. Shan'ann, Bella and Celeste Watts 25 Page Autopsy Report | TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE TRUE CRIME ROCKET SCIENCE True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek CRIME NEWS WATTS KNOX JonBenet MCCANN WM3 PENDING TOOLBOX TCRS YOUTUBE ARCHIVE Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach yes, that is great, there is no mention at all that there was any of the toxic mix of oil, water and sludge that was in Bellas stomach, thankyou for pointing that out Nick. I think she was then taken, with her children, out of the rear of the property for concealment. Im wondering if he had bipolar. 2. Ive seen hundreds of bodies both recently deceased and WELL decomposed and I can assure you- while SOME bodies dedicate/urinate due to the relaxing of muscles at the time of death- its certainly not most. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. @Nick I thought the bedsheets in the bedroom were soiled? stop, stop. . Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. Required fields are marked *. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. @Nickhi, in answer to your question about the suitcase she might have been so exhausted and wanting to get to bed right away that she left it downstairs, figuring she would deal with it in the morning. Theyd already pulled $10,000 out of Chris 401K to try and get caught up on their mortgage, but they were somehow burning through money like there was no tomorrow. Chris said: I freaked out and I did the same thing to f****** her. The basement had everything in plastic bins all labeled & neatly stacked. He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. She was calling him honey, and being all lovey dovey in her messages to him all weekend. A Stranglehold can incapacitate and render unconsciousness within 5 11 seconds. Then he agreed to go to Aspen with her for the weekend following her death. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. Esophagus: .. The floors in the closets had a lot of junk on them, her nightstand drawer was a mess. In the 2000 page report that was released they pose the theory that she may have been asleep while attacked. So what Was his motivation for that? Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. I also believe in my heart that Shannan did not hurt her babies Could be so because Shanann had no defensive wounds and he said she didnt fight. Powered by. First off lets not forget it was only after Chris failed the polygraph & then they said its time to come clean & Chris first said I had an affair, Ive been cheating on my wife, so I hurt her emotionally thats why its saying I lied. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. Some people never saw. One thing that was truthful that came out of NKs mouth was that he lied about everything. Or perhaps he left when the sun was coming up because thats when he usually left for work. I believe the frenulum injury could be explained from the process of stuffing her head through the thief hatch post mortem it was a tight squeeze with the larger child. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. Mucho menos que estaba enferma. That alone speaks volumes how they were approaching their relationship. Im enjoying this site (first visit) and thanks for listening. The Watts family killings and the financial devastation, infidelity, and what appears on the videos as a mindless neglect of the children overlay all these sad accounts. She is OCD and very ritualistic in nature. I wouldnt throw that out the window. Celeste was found face down in that oil tank. Like you, I believe the children were sedated, and possibly Shanann as well. I have watched/listened to a lot of Nicks videos and am now working my way through his books, and I can honestly say that he is impartial and simply digs deep into the why of the case. Make sense? The bra thing means nothing, my daughter is big busted as well and slept in her bra when she was pregnant because her breasts that were tender were less bothersome at night if she wore one. Christopher Watts, the husband of pregnant Shanann Watts and the father of Bella and 3-year-old Celeste, pleaded guilty to killing all three in August. Chris only saw things with one lense. x, Ive said this before. Of course he kept saying hed never hurt those kids, he was lying, trying to save his ass. Seemed to me like she kept everything clean that you could see. I wrote a book that tried to integrate information, not just throw the information in the air and shrug. So while he would have possibly had more of a mess to clean up with ShanAnn than with the girls, it was contained, unlike the mess of that horrid Patrick Frazee who killed Kelsey Berreth by braining her with a baseball bat. Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. Her neck muscles had been bruised and the manner of death was deemed a homicide. Shan'ann Watts tells her husband: "I don't want a video of you" while recording her children Chris Watts Case: What would Sherlock Holmes Do? This story breaks my heart. > Most do not, really? But its tough watching some of them, and at times I felt awful for all of themand the girls clearly did not want to be on camera while Shannan clearly wanted them TO be on camera. The lack of a broken hyoid bone (called thyroid bone in the autopsy?) On top of that, he had to forcibly PUSH Bella down into the oil tank, because she was larger than the 8 inch diameter oil tank hole to fit through please answer why? But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. Those were my kids. He claimed he saw Shanann on top of Cece and that they were blue. He said he lost it and choked Shanann. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! Remember that Chris was sleeping in the basement at this time so they werent sharing a bed. Also, I highly doubt Shanann was killed by pulling her down onto her back. Smothering is albeit horrific, a more a gentle or approach that a mother may take. The autopsy noted that recovered items included oil soaked pink pajama type top with images of hearts and butterflies and a pair of oil soaked underwear.. He then "went into a rage," he claimed, and strangled her to death in retaliation. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. Watts was arrested on August 15, 2018. For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. But from Molletts work, it seems the alcohol levels in Shananns body were normal. Did anyone explain that? 3. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. Shannan did not have any marks on her face indicative of a punch, slap, or anything at all. She said he was telling people he has to go to work and that just doesnt seem right. Also, we usually can find some urine, fecal material, body fluid on the bed sheet and the quilt. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. After reading the 2000 page discovery & the autopsy report & listening to the FBI agent talk about other cases I learned that smothering by manual force is done very frequently to children. I had assumed all the way through that he had used a pillow. The toxicology results likely represent decomposition and an artifact of being submerged in an oil tank for several days. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. Im having my doubts about an emotional conversation occurring that particular morning prior to Chriss killing Shanann. Asshole should have never been presented and damn plea deal. [UPDATED] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Watts Sentencing: Live Coverage and Analysis [Updated throughout the day] | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, Crime News November 2018 | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs, The murder of the Watts children at CERVI 319 as Dramatized in FAMILY MAN, FAMILY MURDERER | True Crime Rocket Science / #tcrs. @Nick, regarding OCD. And if the girls mentioned a nikki shanann may just assume her friend. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Believe meeven the worst of the worst, hardened criminals do NOT like baby killers.they WILL do to him what he did to his babiesjust a matter of time one of those inmates having NOTHING to lose, lifetime sentences.CW is NOT going to live long once hes let out of his isolated cageGuards will make sure a door gets left open, backs turnedthey HATE baby killers toowe all do. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? The agents stressed the words ran & walked because they were inconsistent & made no sense. I have a question. No, so you have same information that anyone else has. If Chris had not had the affair, he would not have killed his family! Whereas if he left at lets say 3 am. So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! The autopsy reports for Shanann Watts and her two young daughters show that all three were asphyxiated to death, and it's probable that 4-year-old Bella Watts fought for her life.. Something that might help with perspective is this financial article in which a wife writes in for advice, because her husband has started sending hundreds of thousands of dollars to a cult: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-woman-made-a-life-changing-decision-after-her-husband-gave-600000-to-a-cult-2017-07-10 . She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. Ive wondered if he made her a drink when she got home, a smoothie with some type of alcohol that you wouldnt taste in it to knock her out because she didnt drink. I was writing in a passion. Even the few days shannan was gone. I will say one thing CW did NOT doat least he didnt rape his baby girlsha, like that makes him a good man, Yo i bet that thrive shit gave her that gallstone. Im just saying if her friend had never come over. 1. Time of death for all three victims is unknown. I have to point out that Shanann DID have marks on her face there was a line of small circular bruises running from beneath her chin and up the left side of her face towards her temple. Tell the world, especially the misinformed idiots who think Chris Watts is an attractive man and Shannan was controlling. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. Similarly, the anxiety caused by these obsessions can be lessened by different compulsions, such as checking (e.g., re-checking door locks, repeatedly making sure the oven is off), repeating (e.g., doing the same action or ritual over and over to be sure it was done correctly), and counting (e.g., doing things in certain numbers, counting items to certain numbers). Its good that youre trying to demonstrate this and see it through. It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. (this is horrific and the worst thing in the whole case, in my opinion). If you read through the autopsies very well you will see that the oldest girl, Bella, actually bit her tongue several times and had many injuries in her mouth. Nickole called Christopher Watts and requested he come home and check on Shanann. I would just like to express an opinion of mine to you and all your readers. The womans home was spotless & there was a place for everything & everything was labeled! I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! Also, CW was looking up dosages for oxycodone, a powerful pain medication that ShanAnn had plenty of stockpiled around the house. He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. I havent finished reading the Discovery yet (just at the freaky prison fan mail/hate mail) but I havent read anything yet about any DNA testing of the sheets? The Netflix show details the deteriorating relationship between Chris and Shanann, who began suspecting her husband was having an affair and felt he was suddenly pulling away from her, a fact she spilled to numerous friends in anguished text messages. No. She asked him to keep the receipt for taxes. Shanann loved clothes, and also being away for work (product) she may have had a huge heavy as suitcase loaded up, and as much as she wanted it upstairs thought Chris was asleep and being exhausted, preggers etc. Her clothes were even coordinated by colour in the closet. I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. Just kind of odd. They then start putting the idea in his head what happened, did one of the kids die & Shannan killed the other one & herself? From what I can understand of the facts in this case- there were no scratches to Chris. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Her office was described as unorganized and sort of messy, as were closets, drawers, and things out of sight. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. There was no oil in Ceces stomach. They were invited by Shannans family to attend the funerals and did not even show. The ethanol levels are perplexing though; even in decomposition they are rarely above .07. Three days after the murders, on August 16, police discovered Shanann's body in a shallow grave and the girls stuffed inside nearby oil tanks on the . This was filmed during the police officers body cam footage. One of the unknowns in this case is why Watts did what he did. I am in Australia and I came across this story by accident and I am just horrified. Shanann Watts. Chris was plainly seen in the neighbors security video loading a red gas can into the back of his truck. She left him a note the morning she left for Arizona and it was very loving & positive. The Watts murders got to me also. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. Hello everyone, The children were in 20 foot tanks with hatches on top. I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. Thats a harsh indictment to a woman who cant defend herself. Gallstones form over a period of time, raised hormone levels in pregnancy contribute to them. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? Its in the autopsy x. Chris Watts is the subject of a new Netflix series called American Murder: The Family Next Door. The two girls were found in oil drums. He runs into Ceces room & walks up to Shannan. Told everyone I was bipolar, that we were divorced, even took me to one of his counseling sessions to prove I was the one with the problem. We cannot have that thing on earth with us. Your thoughts? Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. He was an operator for Anadarko. There are no words . The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. He is a monster. Also, he usually goes to the office in the morning and then goes out to the sites but the night before he called and told a coworker he was going to the site. False nails like ShanAnn was so fond of wearing dont scratch skin as effectively as natural nails do they arent as sharp. I would put the blame on Chris! I lived with one. Dont forget, she is pregnant. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. Shannan would choke the like out of Watts before she hurt her kids. Remember it wasnt just the suitcase downstairs, her purse was downstairs too. Ive slept in my bra for 25 years since I got my first breast implants. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. We know that she went to her office and attempted to order haircare products, and in the welfare check footage you can clearly see a large dark blanket on the sofa, and two small pink chair beds by the side of the sofa. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. The second dog was simply a tracker dog, not trained for cadavers but to track a missing person. I wondered what became of the gas can. If Im interpreting the autopsy correctly he effectively smothered and strangled at the same time but I never see this mentioned anywhere. Bella was face up in the oil tank. Thoughts? no she was a good mom who looked after her kids! At the end of the day there are no good reasons to commit murder, especially of ones own flesh and blood, but there may be valuable lessons to learn from figuring out how this could have happened. Thats contained in her autopsy report. Not one place on his body? And dropped her in alive? Chris is dead inside. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. The paper bags are put on the hands to transport the victim after they are found deceased as to not contaminate any potential evidence around the hands, such as DNA evidence under the fingernails. As previously reported, Shanann Watts was 15 weeks pregnant at the time of her murder, with a baby boy the couple had already named Niko. Shanann had only (ap autopsy) "probable bruising on the anterior subcutaneous neck tissue" sweetbreez 4 yr. ago Like the previous commenter said, LE explained that it had to do with her being buried in the sand vs the oil. MLM comes across in this paper as a cult-like entity that epitomizes absolute evil (evil = a foundation of lies) especially when you read the case histories. Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. Shanann Watts' husband, Chris Watts allegedly confesses to murder The Colorado Bureau of Investigation reported that three-year-old Celeste Watts and four-year-old Bella Watts are also dead along with mom Shanann. But hed then be a full time father leaving him not much time to galavant with NK except when a babysitter came. Could Bellas mouth injuries have occurred postmortem when he shoved her through the hatch? Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. Or putting her down. Thanks for making the reports public. Ive been sleeping in my bra during my pregnancy- because my chest hurts all the time and taking it off even to shower is extremely uncomfortable. I hope this is okay, Nick the way the financial counselor walks the wife through her options is important to understand and doesnt appear to detract from your sites mission and goals. It is a condition that causes you to have irrational and uncontrolled thoughts, and the only way to make the thoughts stop, is to perform a ritual. Kick him? And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. Thanks! Jami, doesnt make sense. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. Did you have to cover something up for Shannan? How do you or any of us know what her last words to Chris were? Where was all the money from that house? He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. But legally it was in Chriss name. I am very new to this case, only a couple of months ago, end of November 2020 to be precise. He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. He said he was downstairs, came back up and they were gone. Youre not Shanann Watts. Read Thomas Molletts forensic report https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/17/thomas-molletts-forensic-report-on-shanann-watts-post-mortem-blood-alcohol-level/. For starters there was only ONE cadaver dog (the Lab) who indicated only TWO places in the house the spot in the basement between the stairs and the heating system fan, and by the rear sliding door! On the police cams you can just see hi. My theory is that he had started to be nicer to her, as evidenced by her text to her friend Cassie the night before she left for the trip. The full autopsy reports are included below: Watts Aggregate Autopsy Reports by EKilloran on Scribd, MANHUNT: Hobby Lobby Distribution Center Manager Shot Dead in Altercation With Employee, 16-Year-Old High School Student Fatally Stabbed in Classroom Fight, Young Child FaceTimes for Help After 4 Members of Family Slain, Chris Watts tried to pin the murders of 3-year-old Celeste and 4-year-old Bella on his wife when he first confessed to murdering Shanann, who was 15 weeks pregnant at the time, In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on. Police came but found no sign of Celeste Watts or Bella Marie Watts. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. I would say the asshole probably turned them over or put the comforter over their faces and did it that way. Theres another case that does involve a murder by a husband on a bed, through manual strangulation, and they found small drops of his and her blood on the sheets, as well as traces of her feces elsewhere in the room. At the time of her death, Shanann had been 15 weeks pregnant (via MEAWW). These people cant tell the truth about anything. That is what is difficult; without a trial we have no way of knowing all the forensic evidence and what tests the state started to perform or did perform. Ive seen many people die in the hospital where I worked- not everyone poops when they die (and their stomachs were empty)- except the oil in the Angels stomach. He was all over the house. If you cant respect others in their opinions and input, youre definitely not intelligent. It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? Get a life and quit trashing innocent victims. 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